State employee union leadership voted today to ease the rules for ratifying contract concessions, clearing the way for the unions and the administration of Gov. Dannel P. Malloy to reach a new deal to avoid mass layoffs and deep budget cuts.
Simple majorities now will be required for ratification: eight of 15 unions must vote in favor, and their membership must represent a majority of the unionized workforce. Under previous rules, ratification required the support of 14 of 15 unions representing 80 percent of members.
A previous tentative agreement to save $1.6 billion, as calculated by the administration, won support from 11 of the 15 unions, with 57 percent of participating union members voting yes. It fell short of the stricter ratification rules.
"If the same units vote the same way, under the rules it would pass," Eric Bailey, a spokesman for the unions, said of a new deal.
The new bylaws had to be adopted by a two-thirds vote of the leadership of the State Employees Bargaining Agent Coalition, but Bailey declined to release the exact vote, calling it an internal matter.
Sgt. Andrew Matthews, president of the Connecticut State Police Union, said he was unable to attend, but his designee was instructed to abstain. But Matthews, whose union voted against the first concession deal, also said, "I think it would be a good thing to allow the membership to vote on another proposal."
To immediately change the bylaws, the SEBAC leadership first had to vote to suspend rules that otherwise called for a 30-day waiting period.
SEBAC reported the change today on its website, then dispatched two spokesmen, Matt O'Connor and Leo Canty, to the state Capitol to brief reporters.
"The most fundamental principle of democracy is majority rules. There is a recognition of that in the changes that were adopted," O'Connor said.
Malloy, who was traveling to Connecticut from the annual meeting of the National Governors Association in Utah, issued a statement welcoming the news, but reiterating he is open only to clarifying the previous tentative agreement, not re-negotiating the terms.
"It's good news that the unions have changed their ratification process to one that respects the will of the majority. Over the next few days Mark Ojakian will be speaking with SEBAC leaders to understand which issues in the agreement need to be clarified," Malloy said.
Ojakian represented Malloy in the previous negotiations.
"Given the limited number of issues that have been identified as problematic, it shouldn't take more than a couple of days to have a clarified agreement that's ready to be voted on by all state employees," Malloy said.
Technically, the unions and Malloy could reach a new tentative agreement identical to the previous one. More likely, is that they will agree on new language addressing employee concerns about changes to their health-care benefits.
O'Connor and Canty said SEBAC leaders already have an "outline" of suggested changes and are to meet again Tuesday. Canty said speed is essential.
"After July 1, the whole process became a little more complicated, because pay raises were put in place," Canty said. "We have to figure out how to deal with that particular issue."
Another potential complication: the layoffs of some employees take effect in two weeks; once laid off, they cannot vote to ratify a new deal.
Legislative leaders express relief at the prospect of seeing layoffs averted.
"I'm glad to see the SEBAC leadership took a responsible action to reflect the will of the majority of employees," House Speaker Christopher G. Donovan said, adding that "I'm hopeful that an agreement with the governor can be achieved soon."
Without a new deal, the legislature would have to accept the deep budget cuts Malloy announced Friday or return to Hartford in special session to make their own cuts.
"I literally prayed for days for something like this to happen," said Sen. Edith G. Prague, D-Columbia, co-chairwoman of the Labor and Public Employees Committee and a longtime labor advocate who chastised SEBAC members for not ratifying the first deal. "Plan B, all of those layoffs, would have been a disaster for everyone."
Senate President Pro Tem Donald E. Williams Jr., D-Brooklyn, and Majority Leader Martin M. Looney, D-New Haven, called Monday's announcement "the news Connecticut has been waiting on for weeks.
"Union leaders should be commended for working together to change their bylaws and helping to facilitate the potential for a successful vote by union members. Approval of the concession package is critical for Connecticut's fragile economy. We urge union leaders to quickly get clarification on any needed items, call for another vote and for all union members to vote yes. This is Connecticut's last - and best - chance to resolve its fiscal crisis without undermining its recovery."
House Minority Leader Lawrence F. Cafero Jr., R-Norwalk, said the SEBAC announcement was "good news," but it now was essential for Malloy to define what he meant when he said he wouldn't renegotiate a new deal, but would help the unions to clarify the original package.
"It remains to be seen what ‘clarifying' means," said Cafero, who has said he believes the $1.6 billion savings projection from the original deal was inflated considerably.
Cafero specifically questioned a $441 million, two-year savings estimate for a controversial value-based health plan that hopes to promote wellness among state workers, and would penalize those who skip regular physicals and health screenings with a higher premium and deductible.
The GOP leader also doubted the administration's assertion that, working with employees, it can find $345 million in cost-aving ideas tied to technology, health care, and other government services, over two fiscal years.
The legislature's nonpartisan Office of Fiscal Analysis reported back on June 6 that it could vouch for less than 40 percent of the $1.6 billion in labor savings because of unanswered questions or insufficient data.
The second-highest-ranking Republican in the Senate, Leonard A. Fasano, said he also hopes for a fiscally sound concession deal, but remains "very skeptical of the projected savings" from the package rejected in June.
Fasano also said the budget-balancing plan Malloy ordered on Friday, which cut funding for more than 6,500 jobs, "was designed to make people nervous" and could have been devised with fewer position cuts. "I think he used his bully pulpit to be a bully," Fasano said.
The 11 unions to vote yes:
The 4 unions to vote no:
This is wonderful news. Thanks go out to the 15 Sebac members and to the brilliant Dan Livingston. Also to Matt O'Connor and Larry Dorman for doing a particularly great job as press spokesman.
While a gentlemen's agreement between the state workers' unions and the government is always preferred, the changes now made by Sebac gloves to fit the hands of Malloy will smell rotten fish for a long time to come. I thought that we learnt only the saying, "if they don't fit, then acquit".
Well its about time. Now lets get this over with.
This is about as surprising as the sun coming up this morning. Bullying works!
You don't like the outcome.......change the rules.
if they don't fix the healthcare the agreement will still fail, so don't start patting yourself on the back just yet helen. You've been wrong before.
This is an absolute joke. What do we vote on the same garbage as last time or will they tweak it so the garbage smells better. We had a vote the votes were counted you do not like the outcome change the rules and vote again. I wonder if there is anything we can do about this.
In the next few years we will see what a piece of garbage this really is. And everyone will be crying and we will be stuck with it. We voted votes were counted the votes should stand. Let malloy close courts and lay off people. He would not have the guts to do it. He is not going to bite the hands that feed him. Unions & welfare queens.
SEBAC--and the Malloy administration--knew that this was a great deal for us unionized employees, for reasons that are obvious, if apparently unpersuasive to many who voted to reject. SEBAC--and the Malloy administration--must also have known that there was no way 80% of the membership would approve. It's an unrealistically high threshhold. Eighty percent of the membership probably couldn't have agreed that the world is round. Which explains why it took so little time for 2/3 of the SEBAC representatives to change the voting rules. It was all scripted in advance. Malloy got to look tough, and SEBAC looks like it
Read MoreOf course, this development comes as no surprise. Our union representatives have been de facto agents of the Malloy administration since before they took office. Certain people with personal interests at stake in the outcome of the vote were not going to let the rules get in the way. I only hope that the rank-and-file are smart enough to change the union leadership as soon as possible. I don't hold out much hope, however. As for the "deal" itself: you can dress it in a calico dress, put lipstick on it and call it Helen; but at the end of
Read MoreGreat news! Going back to the bargaining table makes sense, and allowing majority to rule is the fairest way to vote on a contract. It’s the way most unions vote on contracts, new or reopened. However, beware the dark side. Stateworkers, the purveyors of evil with motives other than yours will do what they can to kill whatever deal comes along. Like the devil, they will mix truth with fiction. There will be new rumors of collusion with Communists, with some suggesting that the new health care proposal has Maoist roots. I suggest a press blackout for state workers
Read MoreThe unions should be ashamed of themselves for lowering the standards for a new concession package. This is a joke. Leonard Fasano was on Rowland's show today and explained this the best. This is all about hammering out a deal behind close doors after the election and sending this to the membership for a vote. Members didn't like it, so they embarrassed Malloy and Malloy is retaliating with layoffs to the people who voted NO-(state police, corrections, ect.) I strongly suggest that employees start seeking out a new union(s) to represent the workers and not the political patronage to Malloy.
Read MoreAs a member of SEBAC, I think it is great news. I'll make less money next year, and I am skeptical about the degree of management that is going to go into managed healthcare. However, it means a lot of people will not lose their jobs. This is a terrible time to be unemployed, and if this helps to prevent job losses, it is a great thing.
For what it is worth, I don't think this is a case of SEBAC "just" changing its rules. The ability to amend the rules is part of SEBAC's bylaws.
Read MoreAs a member of SEBAC, I think it is great new. I'll make less money next year, and I am skeptical about the degree of management that is going to go into managed healthcare. However, it means a lot of people will not lose their jobs. This is a terrible time to be unemployed, and if this helps to prevent job losses, it is a great thing.
For what it is worth, I don't think this is a case of SEBAC "just" changing its rules. The ability to amend the rules is part of SEBAC's bylaws.
Read MoreMajority rules! Great concept. Wish we could have it in the U.S. Senate.
Majority rules! Great concept. Wish we could have it in the U.S. Senate.
I should also say that watching the comments thread at this website has been a real lesson in the need for reasonable people to speak up. There has consistently been a large number of commentators who were against the agreement with the Malloy administration. I've got no problem with that, indeed I think it's a good thing that they give voice to their opinions. However, many of them have been rude, insulting and, very often, nonsensical--bullies, really. There has been a little of that on the pro- side, but not nearly as much. Reasonable people
Read MoreI should also say that watching the comments thread at this website has been a real lesson in the need for reasonable people to speak up. There has consistently been a large number of commentators who were against the agreement with the Malloy administration. I've got no problem with that, indeed I think it's a good thing that they give voice to their opinions. However, many of them have been rude, insulting and, very often, nonsensical--bullies, really. There has been a little of that on the pro- side, but not nearly as much. Reasonable people
Read Morevictor perpetua - I wouldn't say that all of this was "scripted" at all (unfortunately ;-) Some BIG mistakes were made in the *process*. The outcome will be OK, but the deficient process that was used to achieve it must not be repeated.
Skydogct - You are ABSOLUTELY correct. State employees, and even some of the union leaders, MUST become more knowledgeable and sophisticated about such dangers. In these regards, the world of today is MUCH more dangerous than the world of 25 years ago.
I am a member of the the union Dept of Corrections as a matter of fact. I was not going to be laid off but I still voted yes. This outcome is great for all of Ct.The most senior staff did not want this to pass because of personal greed along with our union leaders in corrections personal greed. Our leader ship in our local is close to retirement and they did not want there retirement colas to go from 2.5% to 2% a year that's why they did not want it to pass. Also for all of us who
Read Moreis asking for healthcare in writing asking for two much?
would u buy a house with out a mortage
Skydogct and Kmbcgill-this is great news?
You must work for the union. This is not great news. You guys just don't get it. The unions are giving up the ship to save the due's money they recieve to support themselves. It's all about them. They don't care about preserving benefits of the employees that work for the state anymore. Ask the municipal employees in the town you live in if they are giving up anything of this magnitude that the state workers are?...probably not. I know that in my town workers were not asked to give up one penny! Their
Read MoreHelen and all you "Great News" fools:
This is an absolute disgrace. Wait until SEBAC changes the rules on something you want. Malloy and the Democrats are running the Union now. SEBAC had the nerve to suspend the 30 day requirement so that they could change the rules on a vote they didn't win. This is not over, there will be lawsuits. I hope everyone in SEBAC is named personally. This is plain crooked, yet people are celebrating because "they won." Not even a 2/3 majority, but a bare 51% majority and only 8 of the 15 Unions. I have
Not so fast.If the union leaders try this.The union can be take to court.The vote was taken all ready.
great job guys. we won't change are bylaws. i won't talk to the unions anymore. we won't revote on the same deal. i'm going to miss getting rich off the union dues when the workers get laid off. o.k. the last one is something they haven't said out loud but is true. can we go back and let al gore be president. then maybe we wouln't be in the mess that bush left us in. (see the popular vote won, not electorial) ohhhh wait we can't due that just hypacritical union leaders. i will
Read More@helenisannoying. You say, "Malloy is retaliating with layoffs to the people who voted NO-(state police, corrections, ect.)" If that's true than how do you explain 1199 getting hit proportionately as hard when they voted 2 to 1 in favor of concessions?
Let us remember that all of this was orchestrated after the first No vote. What you are seeing is the real plan B by SEBAC. If I were Malloy, I would not be too confident with these changes. Many of those Yes votes were based on the fear of layoffs. Now that the real layoff numbers have been published, and many union members are dismayed by SEBAC's, unilateral change of the bylaws,those former Yes votes will now be be No votes.
So anytime SEBAC does not like the way the vote turns out just change the rules after the vote that way they cannot loose. This is insane we voted the votes were counted.
I hate to break the news to some of you folks, but there simply isn't any "lawsuit" material here. You'll get over it.
A class action lawsuit is coming SEBAC! You heard it hear first!
SteveHC are you a lawyer?.....I don't think so....
I am not surprised at this outrageous, unethical, and potentially illegal outcome. It is clear that SEBAC has no interest in addressing the legitimate concerns of the 43 percent of workers who voted against the concession package and is determined to pass a second, probably virtually identical, agreement, even if doing so violates every known moral standard, sparks a civil war among union members (that may well have already begun), and costs the rank and file dearly in the very near future.
Anybody who believes the SEBAC leadership is dedicated to defending and promoting the interests of the rank
Read MoreLooks like I'll be exercising my right to redirect the money coming out of my paycheck away from the unions, per my contract, unless they decide to "tweak" that section too. Here's an idea if they want to touch that area too...how about a 3rd option that allows me to KEEP my dues so I can pay these increased taxes we're all dealing with?
Regardless of what each employee voted, this process full of secrecy is disgusting. Sebac has lost any credibility they may have had. Change the rules to get a vote pushed through. There was no problem with the Bylaws two years ago.
@Paul the answer to your question is because 1199's members work in agencies that can be easily privatized over the next 4 years: DCF,DDS and DMHAS. The State wants OUT of residential facilities: they cost too much and private provider are eagerly waiting for the outsourcing to begin. Less employees Less benefits win win for the governor.
I am so happy to hear that a possible new vote will take place and that new bylaws were created to pass an agreement. This was needed-it had to be figured in because of monster afscme 4! It is too huge of a union and could make or break a vote. NOT FAIR!
I do not want to see employees lose their jobs or the poor not get services they need, handicapped to lose out on great programs that will be slashed as a result of layoffs.
Before you come out with mean stuff about all of
Read Morecan we see what the new agreement looks like before we start going nuts, maybe sebac is smart enough to fix the healthcare. I'm not holding my breath, but lets wait and see.
There is approximately 3,500,000 residents in the state of CT, 45,000 of you are in the state union, some of you voted Yes and the rest of you voted No. In the larger scheme of things, or the bigger picture if you will, the no voters are small potatoes compared to the rest of the CT population. Which is better for the residents of CT, your insisting to vote no for your principles and own personal gain, or to vote Yes for the greater good? Your no votes have enormous negative impact for the rest of us
Read MoreSEBAC Reps SELL OUT THE UNION MEMBERS!! SEBAC CHANGES RULES TO SUITE THEIR WHIMS AND SQAVE THEIR FACES! SEBAC and MALOOY CONSPIRE to BREAK UNIONS! Where does SEBAC think they have the right to change the rules of the bylaws just because they didn't like how the vote came out? It's time to take these very same SEBAC representatives to court and sue them for their misrepresentation. Let's take their money right out of the pockets just like they are doing to the Unions they are supposed to represent. They have clearly violated the
Read Moreclosed door meeting.... what does that tell you?
Helen
Helen union leader we will see how brilliant when he no longer has a paycheck. Despicable behavior.
So since rules are being changed that cant be it is time for a new election on Governor.
to all union members deactive or decentralize the union.
Helen
Helen union leader we will see how brilliant when he no longer has a paycheck. Despicable behavior.
So since rules are being changed that cant be it is time for a new election on Governor.
to all union members deactive or decentralize the union.
SEBAC and the unions voting to change the By-Laws made huge political and legal blunders of the first degree. The first lawsuit seeking an injunction to block a revote will be joined by thousands if not tens of thousands of union members. 100% guaranteed SEBAC will lose in court. SEBAC needs to explain how the changes to the By-Laws followed correct procedures outlined in the By-Laws, past union voting practices, and make any legal sense. For example, what the hell does the new Article 10(d) mean? And, where does it say in the amended By-Laws
Read MoreI voted yes last time but I am voting no this time. Thr guidelines didn't change in all the previous changes to our contract just the results. Why vote when SEBAC will just change the rules.
Steve HC You got bad legal advice buddy. There is plenty of lawsuit material. In any event, you guys are all getting removed from office. Fonzie
WOW - All of the phony "vote no" state employee impostors on these blogs are *really* crawling out of the woodwork NOW LOL!!! STATE EMPLOYEES: Vote yes on any re-vote because we have MUCH bigger "fish to fry" over the next couple of years, and this agreement will buy us unionized government employees the time we need to prepare for a MUCH larger battle.
This is terrible, the unions should be ashamed of themselves. I think it's time to start calling attorney's. There has to be something we can do. I think we should look into getting another union in place. This is a disgrace. If the vote past the first time they would have not changed the rules. This is just another form of political corruption. I will never vote for a democratic ever.
Excellent point. That is because they are hiding something. It is quite obvious.
Here is a thought....rather than paying union dues I'll choose to become a "fees" paying member and choose where I would like my money be redirected. (my favorite charity perhaps).
I am thoroughly disheartened by the entire union voting process. People voted no for a reason. For many the changes to the healthcare plan were unacceptable. Some say these changes are no big deal...perhaps they won't be unless you are one of the unfortunate ones or your family member is who suffers from a chronic disease. The chronic condition programs are intrusive and should not be applied to everyone with
Read MoreFreeman- So your in a war huh? You have no idea what war is if you think trying to save peoples jobs and their families is a war.The world is a far different place than when all these benifits and pensions were put into place a very long time ago. Something has to change or the whole thing will implode. Were not splitting atoms here. Grab a newspaper, watch the news. We are all lucky to have a job with benefits(thats what they are not entitlements)paid sick, vacation and personal and holidays!! What do you expect? Really think about
Read MoreI am a member of the the union Dept of Corrections as a matter of fact. I was not going to be laid off but I still voted yes. This outcome is great for all of Ct.The most senior staff did not want this to pass because of personal greed along with our union leaders in corrections personal greed. Our leader ship in our local is close to retirement and they did not want there retirement colas to go from 2.5% to 2% a year that's why they did not want it to pass. Also for all of us who
Read MoreIf we don't like the answer, we'll just change the rules. Democracy and rules of order have hit an absolute new low. I am completely disgusted with our SEBAC union leaders and call for a sweeping change of leadership. When are we goig to stop giving away the candy store to irresponsible politicians? When are we going to hold those responsible for creating our fiscal mess responsible? There is no way the governor is going to completely eliminate what is being broadcast on the news. Wake up people. Mark my words...if a new agreement is now ratified that is similar
Read MoreI'm hoping that they fix the healthcare and the agreement passes and hopefully some of the long in the tooth state workers will retire. they are the ones that sold us out because they didn't want to sacrifice anything regardless of how many people lose their jobs, retire!
TO SICKOFIT,
AND any other no voter.......Just what exactly and specifically was it about this plan that bothered you so much????? I am a state employee of 17 years, and went through the same wage givebacks that most of you have, and there was absolutely nothing that I had to do that would make or break me in the past, and there was absolutely nothing in this agreement that would have caused serious trouble in my life, and I am not a wealthy man. If the wage freezes here were to be too much for
Read MoreI hope that everyone is paying close attention to what Gov. Malloy is saying about the layoffs and a re-vote (which by-the-way I thought we weren't able to do since we officially voted no). He has said that not all lay-offs will be recinded. When asked about the prisons specifically he has eluded that they may not re-open them since, by their accounts, the prison population is declining. I hope that this concession package spells out clearly exactly what will happen with all the closures - ie. Prisons, DMV branches, courthouses, etc. What about the raises
Read More“One of the things the governor’s talked about since he was a candidate was the need to make state government smaller, more effective, and more efficient,“ Roy Occhiogrosso, Malloy’s senior communications adviser, said. “This process of downsizing state government was going to occur anyway. The governor would have preferred to do it through an agreement with state employee units, but the current state government, as it‘s currently constituted, its expense level, it‘s not sustainable.”
For those of you who refuse to acknowledge the obvious, there you have it. The rules were changed in an attempt to curtail what will
Read MoreThe mistake was they lied and colluded and thought people were too stupid to see it. Please take off the rose colored glasses and think.. don't believe what they are telling you, it is not right. Ask for the numbers, they are not there. This a ploy to move our state to socialized medicine. Do you really want to give up your democratic rights? Please look at the bigger picture here, it's not pretty. Changing the rules because you did not like the vote, what is next?
Read MoreI voted yes the first time but this time I am a NO! I have lost all respect for the union. The bylaws were written in the way they were to protect the workers a meer majoity. You must be kidding me. They did not even ask us. Why bother with the union at all!
mjta, Obviously you didn't get the big picture. You still are being led like a sheep. It's not the deal, the agreement, or any part of it now, It's the fact that SEBAC changed rules in violation of their bylaws behind closed doors to attempt to get what they wanted passed after it was voted down under the current rules. If SEBAC wanted to change the rules in the first place, why did they wait until when something they had promised would pass failed? Why the rush to change the rules again violating their bylaws, having
Read Morelowpaidstateworker - You said that you can live with concessions but it's the "political game playing and bullying" that you're having a hard time with. This concerns me, because I can tell you from over 30 years of experience that although it's nerve-wracking and REALLY annoying to say the least, the "political game playing and bullying" COMES WITH THE TERRITORY of being a State employee. You've *got* to toughen up in order to not just survive through it but to do WELL through it. If it helps, just imagine how bad it would be if you had NO union representation.
Don't like the results? Just change the Rules, at least for Union bosses who ignore the will of it's membership.
The old bylaws stated that a 30 day written notice be given before amending the bylaws - I guess they ignored those rules too. I don't recall any notice by the leadership of any bylaw amendments being proposed?
Let's do the math - My union A&R didn't vote until June 24th so if a written notification was done within the 30 days... That means the leadership had planned on changing the bylaws if the vote was no
Read MoreTo low paid state worker,
You have to remember that this agreement will be between the Malloy administration and the unions, and it means that the managerial people may not be so lucky. I am an employee of DDS, and I know full well that some of our houses may still close just as they have been,but if a no layoff clause goes out to the union employees of our agency then I know that I will have a job in four years. For us it will also save many of our programs for
Read MoreTierII -It was my understanding that the reason that the SEBAC agreement percentage was established the way it was originally was to protect the veteran members. It was to make sure that the younger members didn't out vote the senior members on certain issues. NOw that is completely thrown out the window. It was touted as a security method for the senior methods...where's our security now? gone, that's where..
Does everyone realize they are only changing the By Laws for this agreement?
The next one will go back to the 80%. They are not telling everyone this. What do you think about this? This was a sham the minute Malloy took office.
We need to get the leaders out of there. I thought they worked for us, but it seems like we work for them. Susinet here we come. Still would like to know how these guys sleep at night.
The By-Laws are a contract. SEBAC followed none of the rules it needed to follow to properly change the ratification voting requirements contained in Article 10(a). A motion to amend to the By-Laws needed to be moved and seconded, Notice of the proposed amendment(s) needed to be given in writing to members 30 days prior to the vote. SEBAC needed to conduct a vote pursuant to Article 10(b). It sounds like SEBAC improperly voted under Article 9 and passed its amendment(s) by a 2/3rds vote. All these deficiencies are fatal and render the
Read MoreBunny,
And we are supposed to beleive you are a state worker? Why are you so certain that there will not be layoffs, because we had them in 03, and in the early 90s, and not everyone was called back to service in the early 90s.
NO VOTERS Why is it so difficult to have a dialogue with you???????
What exactly and specifically that you voted no for??????? I am a longtime state employee of 17 years, and I gave up most of the same wage freezes as you, and I am not a wealthy but they did not destroy me. The wage freezes in this agreement were also not going to destroy me. The healthcare plan also did not really look all that difficult, and I think that I could have maintained it by going to the doctor and the dentist a couple
Read MoreSteveHC (and Skydogct and puzzled...?) -- you can now "rest assured" that your Tier I retiree COLA will be safe. We'll all be giving up some of ours (and some of our pensions immediately and/or several years of our lives) to preserve yours.
skyreacher -- it was all about the pension loss. I agree with you on the rest: No deal-breakers there. I would have voted "yes" in a heartbeat for the wage concessions the health care nuisances, and the 3% mandatory contribution to the Health Care Trust Fund. But I truly do think you have not thought through the
Read MoreVoting NO on principle and I'm not ashamed to say so. I CANNOT believe SEBAC changed the rules to suite their desires. This is no longer only about layoffs, health benefits, etc...this is about the future of unions. Why have one if they cannot honor their own rules and bylaws, this makes them untrustworthy and unrepresentative. No matter what they say, and how many times they say it...this was dishonorable and deplorable. I know folks who did not vote last time and cannot wait to vote NO on principle this time. In truth they abstained from voting because they weren't
Read MoreI voted yes the first time around (even though my occupation allows me to find employment in a heartbeat I felt it was the right way to vote for others not so lucky) and when it didn't pass I got to read daily quotes from Malloy and Ochiograsso tell everyone these cuts and the states fiscal problems were my fault. My family and friends were subjected to unkind comments from those who believed the Ociograsso propaganda on behalf of Malloy. At no time did anyone in the governors office stand up for those of us who voted yes, instead they
Read MoreThe SEBAC/Malloy Coalition® has acted disgracefully. Any lingering doubts are now gone: SEBAC is out for themselves. They are now autonomous, answering to nothing but their own political agenda.
The reason they felt empowered to pursue their own objectives at our expense? We can't get rid of them.
Nobody wanted to see layoffs. But this was a false choice -- the long-term concessions bought SEBAC political support for their outside agenda (in this instance, a "pooling" bill), not our job security. Job security alone would not have been as costly.
"All power tends to corrupt and absolute power corrupts absolutely."
--perturbed
Kudos Skyreacher for your voice of reason! I personally feel the pain from those closures. Humanity is not dead here after all!
Yes i am a state workder for 30 year some that got laid off got called back and got way better jobs. They are very happy where they are. I don't know anyone that did not get called back. We had a vote they were counted you do not like the result do it over change the rules. Its garbage.
@perturbed: While I can understand your anger and frustration, I simply do not see how SEBAC is pursuing "their" objectives at "our" expense.
I believe the long-term concessions bought not only no layoffs, but also the maintenance of collective bargaining on health care and pensions, as well as retiree health care, for anyone who is going to be around past 2017.
The reality is that in this country public employee unions do not have much political support, and while I agree that there are many "false choices" discussed (my favorite is that state employees have it better than private
Read MoreFor any state employee considering voting no when there is a revote, I respect your right to do so, but I am convinced that you should look at both the long term. There are parts of the agreement that I would change if I could, not because they affect me, but because I think they are unfair to my fellow state employees. I do not believe it is fair to change certain rules for those on the cusp or retirement.
Yet I am convinced that voting this down will have long-term, devestating effects on all public employees, especially those who
Read More"Senate President Pro Tem Donald E. Williams Jr., D-Brooklyn, and Majority Leader Martin M. Looney, D-New Haven, called Monday's announcement "the news Connecticut has been waiting on for weeks."
Are you kidding me??? How out of touch are you guys?? Oh that's right, very!!! After all you gave the man the power you're both on the record as saying should never be given, back when Rell was Gov.
The actual news CT residents are waiting to hear is that the Gov. is withdrawing his plans for UCONN, the Busway and the Rt. 11 to no-where projects. Isn't it a bit
Read MoreI have low expectations for education reform too. A no-layoff, no accountability pledge to teachers, a little more funding, and a continuation of the same policies that led Hartford and Bridgeport to be among the finest models of Northern liberal education.
Ahh. Deinstitutionalization won't be happening.
Will they reopen Bergin in time for Christmas for the correction guards to party and dress the tree?
Will they open new DMV offices requiring additional staffing in cities like Vernon and Barkhampstead?
Will we send more DSS/DFS cases out of state or lock
Read Moreperturbed,
20%? How are you arriving at that math?
WAKE UP!!! UNION MEMBERS your Union Leaders just sold you down the RIVER!! They just changed your bylaws while you were sleeping. It is like the Federal Government changing the Constitution !! What will it take for you to get involved? Isn't your UNION supposed to represent you? BOY THEY SOLD YOU OUT!!! I would like to call your attention to the facts!
The previous leaders put those laws into place to protect their members. However, YOUR UNION just undid their hard work. Former leaders fought long and hard for your pensions
Read More@MichaelThoughts -- I appreciate your thoughts, but I respectfully submit that you might not be looking very hard for SEBAC's possible motivations. Unfortunately, I can't seem to explain my perspective.
If you care to look, here is one attempt, directed at you earlier (with patience, the page should end up at the correct post): http://www.ctmirror.org/story/13059/afscme-rejects-concession-deal#comme...
I'd be very interested in hearing your thoughts on how no conflict of interest existed. Again, specificity would help me to understand.
I also made several comments on Colin McEnroe's blog site that comprise another attempt to explain what appears to be a basic
Read More"SteveHC are you a lawyer?.....I don't think so...."
Well, he may not be, but I am....and he's right. There is no basis for a class action lawsuit. Sorry.
this is the beginning of the end of unions. The union leadership no longer represents the work but represents a political agenda, and a radical agenda at that. I would suggest all members not happy to start the ball rolling to stop paying dues to the union used for political activity( you still must pay operational dues) .The sebac leadership is obviously corrupt and has no ethics. The only thing that these cheats will understand is taking less of our money. The union leadership has struck a blow far more severe then anything Governor Walker did in wisconsin. Shame on
Read MoreO'Connor is wrong.
"The most fundamental principle of democracy is majority rules. There is a recognition of that in the changes that were adopted," O'Connor said.
Wrong. The electoral college, used to select our nation's president, helps ensure that small states aren't marginalized. Each state has issues that differ from the issues of the others, and none should be dismissed as a result of their small population.
The smaller bargaining units of SEBAC have been stripped of their voice, as the voice given to AFSCME, by virtue of their population, will now drown out all others.
To Sue in Ansonia,
You have to know that 11 of the 15 unions voted in favor of the concessions, and 1199 which is the union of which many of the DDS workers sre members voted 2 to 1 in favor of the deal. If you are a parent or if you know someone who is you might consider your contacting legislators to express concern about these closings. I went to a meeting yesterday where management was discussing these closings and they said that in the past , that the input from relatives had
Read MoreLawsuit Material
The 30 day notice required to change the bylaws is, itself, a bylaw. It cannot be "waived", because the waiving of that requirement is a change to the bylaws that requires a 30 day notice. Essentially, the 30 day requirement protects itself.
To properly eliminate the 30 day notice requirement, a notice must be given of intent to eliminate it. 30 days later, leadership can vote to eliminate it. All SUBSEQUENT bylaw changes can then be made without notice.
That leadership violated the bylaws to cast a vote to eliminate the 30 day notice
Read Moreto Bunny,
The people that I knew who got laid in 03, never came back, so I think that to asume that there will be no layoffs does not make any sense at all. In the past hazardous duty emplyees were able to get around this, while other agencies took the hit. I know that there is no bluff of any kind that is going on right now, and that it is very real. I will save my thoughts about Malloy, because if I try to write them, my post will not get printed. Right now we
Read More"skyreacher" and "bunny" - "Skyreacher" is correct. The longer it takes to ratify this agreement, the larger the number of employees who will NOT be able to keep their jobs This is NOT a "bluff." Remember - it's not just Malloy that we're up against, it's the entire GENERAL ASSEMBLY as well. A failure to ratify this agreement could *very* well ultimately result in the loss of our right to collectively bargain, at least over pension and health insurance if not wages as well. Politically, the Connecticut Democratic Party will consider us to be a political LIABILITY if this agreement
Read MoreI know several people who were laid off who ended up at last time around. They ended up at other agencies as their jobs were general enough to float between agencies.
I'm not saying they would do it again but they all ended up in a much better situation by 2007. They would be more bitter if they returned to the same agency and were locked in to their old job schedule. Yes, they compare with their friends who were not laid off.
Skyreacher....DDS workers who have been given notice and programs that have been cut are NOT guaranteed to come back..respite is a thing of the past I'm afraid, or at least slashed down to bare minimum, ask your Commissioner... other positions are gone as well...Malloy will blame it on the first no vote, they would have been gone by the restructuring and/or consolidation that was the contingency in the original agreement...morale is too low, things are so bad more and more are saying they are going to vote no because of the way Sebac just threw out the democratic process...man it's
Read MoreSkyreacher, Yes my daughter is now in the DDS system and my neighbor just lost Birth to Three services for her 2 year old with speech delays. My daughter was also in the Birth to Three program. I've emailed my concerns to Malloy, and I don't expect an answer back from him since he is part of this nasty equation. Yes, I am going to contact my state rep about this. My daughter also attends ACES Village School in North Haven so I will pass this request along to the other parents. Its unimaginable
Read More@perturbed: I am sorry I did not see your earlier post, and I think I understand better what you are saying now about the "other concessions." Here is why I think your analysis does not work.
If you look at the projected savings, a very large amount comes from the new health care plan. My understanding is they anticipated that 50% of employees would not participate; this resulted in $18 million savings each year (that was for the $100 per month premium increase and $350 deductible). For the new HEP, the agreed upon savings were projected at $102.5 million
Read More@ MichaelThoughts -- No disrespect intended, but you're way, way, way off on what you think I'm trying to say. I'm sure it's not you, it must be me.
You're still looking in the agreement. Look up from that document for a second! What else was going on at the same time the contract was being negotiated? Who was involved? Who wanted what, and how badly did they want it? What would they be willing to sacrifice to get what they wanted?
There was Malloy, the legislature, and health care reform activists, all hashing things out over what would eventually
Read More@ skyreacher: "20%? How are you arriving at that math?"
Detailed response here (be patient for the page to load to that post): http://www.ctmirror.org/story/13323/malloy-hopes-new-concession-deal-24-...
--perturbed
"perturbed" - re your response to "MichaelThoughts" - *I'M* following you, or at least I think I understand what you're saying. What you *may* not realize or be aware of, is that the *reason* that SEBAC has been backing the "healthcare reform activists" (GREAT way to say it, by the way) is because they concluded that doing so was the best way to ensure that State *employees'* health insurance coverage remains decent. If *we* don't make the effort to establish the ground rules or influence the development of events, we then leave ourselves open to being subjected to OTHER peoples'
Read More@perturbed: I am sorry I did not get what you were saying even on the second pass. I hope I now have it, but if I still do not, I appreciate your patience.
Did SEBAC implicitly or explicitly intermingle employee concessions and the health care legislation? I guess this might be possible, but I am still a bit sceptical. SteveHC gives at least one way that it might have worked and the implications of SEBAC's thinking. The implication, however, is that Malloy or the legislature would not have supported the watered-down health care legislation without long-term concessions. I would have
Read MoreThis is not wonderful news. This is not democratic. Changing the rules of the game by the union leadership without voting by the dues paying members is not the democratic way. If you recall this nation's history it was the reason why the colonists rose up in rebellion against the British - "taxation without representation." Why do we pay union dues to leaders who can manipulate or alter the rules to suit their desires for a contract that was lawfully rejected? And when the anticipated savings do not materialize and the governor decides to lay off people before the "sacred"
Read MoreIt has only just begun. We are no where near done. The estimated cost savings from the health care reform will not be realized immediately and the governor is looking for cost savings now. When that fails to happen what do you think he will do regardless of the new contract??? Layoffs of course. What if the health care savings actually turn out to be the opposite, and result in more red ink? Hmmm...And by the way, if the economy gets worse, where do you think the governor will turn to first as a means of balancing the budget? To
Read MoreThank you for speaking your mind. Yes do check out other unions. What do we pay union dues for if not to be heard? How much money have the unions spent to defend the workers? Were we really consulted on what we were willing to concede before our union leaders went into negotiations with the governor? Or were we presented with an outline of a contract the union leaders decided on without our input?
AMEN! Keep telling it like it is. We have been betrayed by those who were supposed to look out for our best interests. We had a valid contract. All the parties signed it and it didn't contain a clause that said if either party decided the economic factors changed dramatically they could opt out or re-negotiate. As far as I know, a contract entered into by consenting parties who are of sound mind and body are valid in a court of law. So if the governor wants to change it, challenge it in court. Why not take that route?
Be very careful when you allow someone else to dictate your health care. I am the wife of a state employee and I have opted to have monitoring test instead of taking medication for hypothyroidism. Under the new plan, it is not clear that my family would not be penalized for this decision - which is not supported by a specialist but is supported by my family doctor. My husband simplied wanted something in writing stating these types of decisions would not violate the new provisions of the health insurance requirements. No one could or would
Read More@ MichaelThoughts: YES!!! That's it!
Thank you for taking the time to understand. Please critique the theory as you wish, but thanks for sticking with me on this and acknowledging what it is.
"The implication, however, is that Malloy or the legislature would not have supported the watered-down health care legislation without long-term concessions. I would have to go back and look at the sequence of events and think about this."
Yes that's the gist of it (though I highly doubt the legislature was the problem). Please allow me to take you back through the headlines, which, circumstantially,
Read More@ MichaelThoughts: YES!!! That's it!
Thank you for taking the time to understand. Please critique the theory as you wish, but thanks for sticking with me on this and acknowledging what it is.
"The implication, however, is that Malloy or the legislature would not have supported the watered-down health care legislation without long-term concessions. I would have to go back and look at the sequence of events and think about this."
Yes that's the gist of it (though I highly doubt the legislature was the problem). Please allow me to take you back through the headlines, which, circumstantially,
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